Could the National Debt be too small?

Debt payoff chart

Life After Debt a secret government report from 2000 on the “crisis” that might occur if the US paid off it’s debt.

A very interesting story with comment from a Clinton era economist on the situation after that term had ended.

Could it really be bad to pay off the debt or does this just highlight a problem with economic onion layers?

Congressman Coffman On Tap for Nov 7th!

Grillin’ and Chillin’ with Congressman Mike Coffman–

“Coffman’s Washington Roundup”

Sheraton Denver West Hotel
Red Rocks Grille Lounge (bar/restaurant adjacent to the lobby)
360 Union Blvd.
Lakewood, Co., 80228
5:30 – 7:30 p.

U.S. Congressman, Mike Coffman (CD-6) returns to Liberty! Congressman Coffman has been leading the charge to reign in government – we are honored to host him for an inside update and the opportunity for Q&A. Learn more about the congressman and his efforts at

Let’s catch up on the good and bad results from election day in Colorado and set our sights on our 3rd annual holiday event (Save the date – 12/05/11).

Other Important Notes:

Please e-mail me at if you would be interested in Liberty providing a discounted Concealed Carry Permit class in the near future.

If you would like to receive SMS notifications about upcoming events, just text the word Lakewood to 58124 and you will be able to receive text message reminders on your cell phone.

If you would like to watch a 46 minute documentary (Overdose: a film about the next financial crisis) please find the link below.

I look forward to seeing you all at our next meetup!

Jeff Sacco

Upcoming Events

December 5, 2011
Save the date
Red Rocks third annual Holiday Event

January 16, 2012
First 2012 Red Rocks Happy Hour
(speaker TBA)

Mike Coffman Event Details

November 7, 2011
Sheraton Denver West Hotel
Red Rocks Grill (bar/restaurant adjacent to the lobby)
360 Union Blvd.
Lakewood, Co., 80228
5:30 – 7:30 p.m.
Happy hour prices from 5:30- 7:00 p.m. (Speakers generally begin at 6:00)

FB group: Liberty On The Rocks (Red Rocks)

Disclaimer: Speakers/Guests/Articles do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Liberty On The Rocks (Red Rocks).

Next Meeting in Vancouver (11/06/2011)

As always plenty to talk about at all levels of government and in the community.

All regulars are encouraged to attend, along with old friends and newbies are always welcome.

See you all there for lunch! Cheers for Liberty!

Event Info

Would you like to see two Happy Hours each month?

We’re looking for a time and place to have a second Happy Hour, most likely in East Nashville and still on a weekday after work.

Please click “Leave a Comment” if you have any input on a day of the week or location that you think would be good for LOTR.


Bill of Frights! Can the Government Take Your Home?

From the Bill of Rights Institute’s Bill of Frights! week

“For every man’s house is looked upon by the law to be his castle of defense and asylum …” Sir William Blackstone, an english jurist from the 18th century, said these words in his seminal work Commentaries on the Laws of England. Though not an American, Blackstone’s words  are reflected in American  law. But some  believe the principle that one’s home is respected by legal institutions is under fire in the United States through the abuse and overuse of eminent domain.

The Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment empowers the national government to seize property needed for “public use,” but it also restricts government by requiring it to provide just compensation to the owner. The Supreme Court has applied these restrictions to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment. Yet from 1998 through 2002, the Institute for Justice documented 10,000 properties in 41 states where eminent domain was used to transfer property from private citizens to private developers whose planned projects promise to boost the local economy.

The proposed redevelopment projects vary in scope and rationale. Some are done in the name of urban renewal and the cleaning up of “blighted” neighborhoods. In an example from 2003, New York City seized property in Brooklyn so that Bruce Ratner could build a stadium and bring his New Jersey Nets basketball franchise into the city. At the heart of the disputes of such projects is the definition of the Fifth’s Amendment’s words, “public use”.

In 2005, the Supreme Court took up this very issue in Kelo v. City of New London. The City of New London, Connecticut had on its desks a plan that involved a private developer who promised to create 3,169 jobs and bring in $1.2 million in annual tax revenue. Standing in the way of development were several New London homes, including one owned by Susette Kelo. Kelo challenged the constitutionality of the taking. In a 5-4 decision, the court sided with New London, holding that: “The city’s proposed disposition of petitioners’ property qualifies as a “public use” within the meaning of the Takings Clause.” In the majority opinion, Justice Stevens took note of court precedent that eminent domain takings a) need not examine a “blighted” are building-by-building, b) can rest on the states responsibility to “social and economic evils of a land oligopoly”, and c) the eschewing of “rigid formulas and intrusive scrutiny in favor of affording legislatures broad latitude in determining what public needs justify the use of the takings power.”

The Kelo decision brought fourth a firestorm of criticism. Justice Scalia, who voted in the minority and who is known for his originalist approach to the Constitution, stated recently that the Kelo ruling stood with Dred Scott as one of the few “mistakes” the Court had made in estimating its ability to “stretch beyond the text of the Constitution without provoking overwhelming public criticism and resistance.” Hyperbole aside, Kelo makes it easier for state and local governments to seize property from citizens and transfer the land deeds to private developers who promise economic development in economically depressed areas. So what do you think? Was the Supreme Court correct to interpret the Fifth Amendment as it did? Should these types of  takings be allowed?

The Bill of Frights Week Has Commenced!

What could be more frightening than violations of our constitutional rights? But is everything that appears to be a violation actually one? This week, the Bill of Rights Institute will explore some current constitutional issues ripped from the headlines, and delve into some questions about whether rights are being violated. We hope you enjoy their Bill of Frights!

Do Warrantless Searches Violate the Fourth Amendment?

Under what circumstances are police allowed to enter the homes of private citizens? In most cases, a search warrant issued by a judge is needed for any encounter where law enforcement requires access to a private residence. But law enforcement is also bringing to bear another tool–warrantless searches.

Warrantless searches are often a necessary part of combating crime–and particularly those offenders who have opportunities to destroy evidence. When exigent circumstances arise, law enforcement argues, in situations either pertaining to officer and public safety or to the destruction of evidence, police officers must be allowed the flexibility to enter a home without a warrant.

In Kentucky v. King (2011), the Supreme Court ruled 8-1 that law enforcement can enter a home without a warrant given the existence of exigent circumstances. The Court concluded that the warrantless search might still be legal even if law enforcement itself brings about the exigent circumstances (i.e. a knock on a door causes a stirring inside a house and that stirring causes the officers to assume a destruction of evidence is taking place). Justice Alito, writing for the majority, reasoned that “a rule that precludes the police from making a warrantless entry to prevent the destruction of evidence whenever their conduct causes the exigency would unreasonably shrink the reach of this well-established exception to the warrant requirement.”

In her dissent of the King ruling, Justice Ginsberg stated that she found no reason to “allow an expedient knock to override the warrant requirement. Instead, I would accord that core requirement of the Fourth Amendment full respect.”

Ginsberg referred in her dissent to Johnson v. United States (1948), a case similar to King. In that case, the Court stated: “The right of officers to thrust themselves into a home is … a grave concern, not only to the individual but to a society which chooses to dwell in reasonable security and freedom from surveillance. When the right of privacy must reasonably yield to the right of search is, as a rule, to be decided by a judicial officer, not a policeman … If the officers in this case were excused from the constitutional duty of presenting their evidence to a magistrate, it is difficult to think of [any] case in which [a warrant] should be required.”

Compounding Justice Ginsberg’s dissent are recent news items on botched or mistaken searches conducted by departments around the country. Mistakes happen and, unfortunately, mistakes around searches often entail deadly consequences for both officers and citizens. One serious example happened in May of this year when a raid on the wrong residence lead to the death of Jose Guerena, an ex-Marine who served two tours in Iraq.

As many argue, there are certainly circumstances that require the most temporary shedding of aspects of due process protections. But some argue that when you couple Fourth Amendment considerations with the real potential for mistakes around the country, the need to examine the scope of warrantless searches must be taken seriously. What do you think? Does the existence of warrantless searches fundamentally circumvent the Fourth Amendment?


Article originally appeared on the Bill of Rights Institute Blog.

LOTR: Education Colorado Style @ D’Vine Wines

You’re invited to join us as we celebrate Liberty with our special guest, Ben DeGrow on October 25th , 6:00pm to 8pm at D’Vine Wines Winery (934 Manitou Ave., Suite 108, Manitou Springs, CO) enjoying Tavern Style Politics and Activism in the Tradition of our Founding Fathers

** Please bring some crackers/ cheese / or chocolate to share with your wine.

The evening’s entertainment will include the infamous 30 second soapbox, trivia and a door prize or two.

The night’s topic: Education – Colorado Style. Our guest speaker, Ben DeGrow, Sr. Education Policy Analyst at the Independence Institute will lead this presentation and then open the floor to respectful discourse in the best political format in town;  tavern style politics.  So come on out tonight and enjoy the discussion. You won’t be disappointed.

Upcoming Events:


November 8th: 5:30pm @ The Dublin House “Executing People Che Guevara Style: Why I Decided to Self-Publish”  presented by, author, Meira Pentermann

November 10th, 6:30pm, location TBD – “What if there was no Bill of Rights?”

November 22nd, 5:30pm @ The Dublin House – TBD

December 13th, 6pm @ D’Vine Wines in Manitou Springs,  Christmas / Holiday Celebration

January 17th 6:30pm @ Colorado Springs Christian School Auditorium – a presentation on: “Sharia and the Muslim Brotherhood” co-hosted by:9-12 Colorado District 5, Pikes Peak Patriots

For more info, contact: David Kelly: 719.237.4598


Colorado Springs LOTR events / discussions can cover subjects on just about every liberty-oriented topic there is.  We encourage participation  and the sharing of ideas . So come on out to happy hour, enjoy a beer and join us. The purpose is to get us talking to each other about our viewpoints on different topics, so we may become better aware of what we believe and why, and what we have no opinion on (yet!). There is no doubt about it – this will be the most fun you’ve ever had while learning at the same time!

Liberty on the Rocks is THE place to meet others interested in free market and/or liberty-oriented principles. It is also the happy hour for you if you’re interested in getting better informed or involved in the liberty movement.

Colorado Springs LOTR  is proud to promote free market and/or liberty-based institutions and groups, both local and across the country. When attending a Liberty on the Rocks happy hour, be sure to grab information near the door to learn about think tanks and groups in your area.

Disclaimer: Speakers/Guests/Articles do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Colorado Springs Liberty On The Rocks, and Colorado Springs LOTR does not endorse or support any candidate in any election.

Can Free Markets Alleviate Poverty? Join us in Denver to discuss… over beer!

Why is it that some countries are poor while others are wealthy? If we could answer that question, wouldn’t millions of people around the world be better off? Well we can answer that question, yet people still suffer in many parts of the globe. If you are interested in learning more about how free trade promotes prosperity, you won’t want to miss happy hour this Wednesday night!

When: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 from 6-9 pm
Where: Choppers Sports Grill | 80 S. Madison Street in Denver
What: A Happy Hour Discussion on Free Trade

Grab a glass of your favorite beverage, pull up a chair and get to know other liberty enthusiasts in the Denver area while talking politics and philosophy to your hearts content!

That’s what Liberty on the Rocks Denver is all about.

So join us this Wednesday night as we host special guest Rich Mitchell, Executive Director of the PIER Institute, to discuss the topic of Free Trade, and how he is literally helping to promote it through his work.


$5 Burger & Fries
$1 off Dry Dock pints & $3 off pitchers

About Rich Mitchell:

Rich Mitchell designed the PIER Institute’s development model, created the Institute, and leads their policy and research initiatives. He has significant experience in international relief work, participating in relief and development projects in countries as diverse as Colombia and post-tsunami Sri Lanka. As a business attorney, he has more than 13 years experience in corporate, securities and nonprofit law representing start-up enterprises as well as international companies. In 2003, he spent six months in Costa Rica studying Spanish and interned at a Costa Rican law office. He has also taught more than 25 college courses including the subjects of International Business and U.S. Business Law. Mr. Mitchell received his Bachelor of Arts from Michigan State University and his Juris Doctor from the University of Denver College of Law.

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Oct. 17 with our Liberty Friend, Michael Schaus!

Kickin’ back at the Sheraton West again. Don’t forget to check out their lunch menu (available all day) for burgers and such, in addition to the happy hour appetizers and bar specials.

Grillin’ and Chillin’ with our friend, Michael Schaus –

“Occupy Happy Hour!” :)

Let’s get it started by wrapping up our education mini-series — It’s for the kids! (sure it is…)  As we are a non-partisan group of happy hour Liberty lovers, I suggest you all attend one of the last few Jeffco school board candidate forums to learn more about the candidates and the district; there’s a list for tonight’s and this upcoming Saturday’s forum at  Also, because of the immediacy of the topic, we’re also going to open it up to anyone with insights into Proposition 103.

Our featured guest is Liberty’s very own Michael Schaus, now a daily talk show host and News Director for northeastern Colorado’s New Logic Radio (KFTM 1400AM Hometown Radio).  Michael will join us to share some insight into the political heartbeat of the heartland.  (Yep, this freedom loving, gun toting, cigar smoking, upcoming radio divo, just might be Ft. Morgan’s answer to Dennis Miller!)  We’re looking forward to a wide-ranging, big picture discussion, and there certainly are no dearth of topics for fodder: Occupy Wall Street, GOP debates (when do the Libertarian debates start?), Dusty Harry’s vote against the President’s jobs bill, Fast and Furious and the state of our 2nd Amendment rights…what a great time to be a political commentator!  Learn more about Mr. Schaus at and


Upcoming events

November 7, 2011
Liberty on the Rocks (Red Rocks) Happy Hour
U.S. Congressman Mike Coffman

Michael Schaus Event Details

October 17, 2011
Sheraton Denver West Hotel
Red Rocks Grill (bar/restaurant adjacent to the lobby)
360 Union Blvd.
Lakewood, Co., 80228
5:30 – 7:30 p.m.
Happy hour from 5:30- 7:00 p.m. (Speakers generally begin at 6:00)

FB group: Liberty On The Rocks (Red Rocks)

Disclaimer: Speakers/Guests/Articles do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Liberty On The Rocks (Red Rocks).

Liberty Drinks Boston 2011 Students For Liberty Conf Kickoff Party Fri Nov 4 @7p

As a warmup for this year’s Student’s for Liberty (SFL) Conference at Harvard we bring you the unofficial SFL Kickoff party at Tommy Doyle’s. You don’t have to be a college student to join us! Are you a student of good beer? Have you tried to read all of Atlas Shrugged? Does your hard earned money get stolen from you to pay for the Department of Education or a public school? If you answered yes to any of these questions you qualify to join us for a beverage!

Don’t get too liquored up because Saturday’s events start at 9AM! So make sure to check out the SFL Conference Saturday – it’s free!

Tommy Doyle’s
Harvard Square
96 Winthrop Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
(617) 864-0655

The city of Boston was the birthplace of the American Revolution. Here liberty advocates such as Sam Adams and Paul Revere organized their fellow Americans to fight for their freedom. On November 5th, join with your fellow students at the Northeast Students For Liberty Conference to rekindle the brush fires and organize once again for liberty!

To gather liberty-loving individuals of all persuasions in the pubs, bars and restaurants of Boston and keep the conversation going.